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Amanomurakumo +1 vs Masamune
 Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury
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By Quetzalcoatl.Princemercury 2010-06-22 04:49:15
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Amanomurakumo
[Main] All Races
DMG:98 Delay:437 Accuracy+25
"Tachi: Kaiten" Additional effect: Weakens attacks
LV 80 SAM

Masamune
[Main] All Races
DMG:97 Delay:437
LV 80 SAM

I take back what I said about SE not caring. I wonder how far Trails will take both weapons.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-22 05:02:12
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i can has Masamune? :o
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By Valefor.Koehr 2010-06-22 05:49:00
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amano is 10% better from damage calculator if running same gear ...
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-22 05:52:48
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how is that possible with only 1 more base dmg as of right now? acc won't add dmg, since you can easily cap acc without Amano
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By Ifrit.Duanyu 2010-06-22 06:18:34
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
how is that possible with only 1 more base dmg as of right now? acc won't add dmg, since you can easily cap acc without Amano

magic?
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By Cerberus.Evangel 2010-06-22 06:18:48
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You realize all relics have a hidden chance to do 2-3 times normal damage, yes?
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-22 06:19:32
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but not on WS....and 2-3x isn't 10% it would be more than that, theoretically...
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By Ifrit.Hitoseijuro 2010-06-22 06:25:59
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
how is that possible with only 1 more base dmg as of right now? acc won't add dmg, since you can easily cap acc without Amano
B/c you can drop the acc in other spots during tp phase, and also its not just 1 damage but also 5-9%? proc rate

So in reality you get 12.5% hit rate, 5-9% proc rate, +kaiten, which iirc should be better than g/k/y under buff situations on lower def mobs.

Yes you can cap out acc w/o amanos but with an extra +25acc it would be easier to get more stp gear(maybe new ones inc? dunno) in to drop another hit.

modern sams dont need to worry about acc b/c they have pizza+1 or hell can even eat sushi and never gimp themselves due to gekko, but a kaiten spamming sam would have to go with pizza or the best meat possible provided acc allowed(which is where the +25acc would help) b/c of att helping kaiten out a lot.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-22 18:04:30
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quote not working...Hito, you obviously didn't read the 3rd post of this thread...

"amano is 10% better from damage calculator if running same gear ..."

RUNNING THE SAME GEAR...we're not talking about the obvious (since Amano+1 has 25 acc you can run less acc+ elsewhere) the statment was made using THE SAME GEAR...now I'm still wondering how this is possible
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By Fenrir.Luarania 2010-06-22 18:13:52
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Quotes not working or this would be prettier

First off I want to see this damage calculator. Also note it said Damage not just WS, so far what Evangel said stands true.

Also what Hito said stands true as since no gear set was listed and if you using Amano with already capped accuracy then your epic failing and need to drop it.

Besides, do you really think SE would let a RELIC get outdone by a new weapon that appears to be slightly easier to get ahold of? I think not right now, Amano is still king of SAM damage.
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By Ifrit.Dragontears 2010-06-22 18:18:18
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2x damage proc wins. The end.
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By Ifrit.Hitoseijuro 2010-06-22 19:00:32
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Ifrit.Eikechi said:
"amano is 10% better from damage calculator if running same gear ..."

RUNNING THE SAME GEAR...we're not talking about the obvious (since Amano+1 has 25 acc you can run less acc+ elsewhere) the statment was made using THE SAME GEAR...now I'm still wondering how this is possible
Ah you're right I didnt.

Its basically as DT stated, its the proc rate.

The proc rate has been argued back and forth but most will agree its within 5-10% proc rate.(most say 2h is 10% while the other is 5%)

Lets assume both weps swing for the same amount of damage for the same amount of swings. Lets put it at 50 damage for 100 swings.

Masamune will be at 5000 total damage
While Amano be at 5750 total damage
(90*50 = 4500 , 50*2.5(proc damage) =125*10(proc rate) 1250+4500 = 5750)

5750/5000 = 1.15 so 15% diff

Drop it to a 5% proc rate and youd get roughly a 7% increase so between 7%-15% its easy to see how amano can be roughly 10% increase.

Thats just on melee alone, gekko vs kaiten is really dependant on mobs def and buffs. However amano wouldnt suffer anyhow as it has access to both.
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By Ramuh.Dasva 2010-06-22 19:12:21
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You know you could've just multiplied the 5-10% proc rate by the 150% dmg increase and get the same answer right?
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By Diabolos.Ghlin 2010-06-22 19:20:31
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how do we know the emperyan weapons don't have the hidden effect?
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-06-22 19:21:47
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a hidden affect that beats 7 store tp 25 acc occasionally deals double damage?

Get it through your heads Relics will stay top dog
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By Valefor.Koehr 2010-06-22 20:30:43
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the calculator used is called
ffxi melee damage comparator v4.0.3

just had to update details on amano and make masamune in the weapons entry
google it if you want to see what it's like i guess

no way at least for now that they will let masamune take over amano..
but maybe in the future they will get very close... well one can hope
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By Bahamut.Stanflame 2010-06-22 20:37:13
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Bismarck.Maxse said:
a hidden affect that beats 7 store tp 25 acc occasionally deals double damage?

Get it through your heads Relics will stay top dog

quiet, you do not have a relic. People are interested in this because they do not have relic. People are interested in this; they do not have relic. People are interested in this they got no relic.

Want me to go on? Stop cutting people down ;/. No one care about what you think.
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By Ramuh.Thunderz 2010-06-22 20:53:21
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Bahamut.Stanflame said:
Bismarck.Maxse said:
a hidden affect that beats 7 store tp 25 acc occasionally deals double damage?

Get it through your heads Relics will stay top dog

quiet, you do not have a relic. People are interested in this because they do not have relic. People are interested in this; they do not have relic. People are interested in this they got no relic.

Want me to go on? Stop cutting people down ;/. No one care about what you think.


hehe nice
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2010-06-23 00:55:59
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Bahamut.Stanflame said:
Bismarck.Maxse said:
a hidden affect that beats 7 store tp 25 acc occasionally deals double damage?

Get it through your heads Relics will stay top dog

quiet, you do not have a relic. People are interested in this because they do not have relic. People are interested in this; they do not have relic. People are interested in this they got no relic.

Want me to go on? Stop cutting people down ;/. No one care about what you think.

Moron he is comparing them asking which is better that is the thread topic stop following me around the forums spewing your nonsensical jibberjabber.

Ide call you a troll but I know you are just an idiot that believes the *** that comes out of his mouth.
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By Ifrit.Hitoseijuro 2010-06-23 04:00:42
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Ramuh.Dasva said:
You know you could've just multiplied the 5-10% proc rate by the 150% dmg increase and get the same answer right?
/

But it seemed easy to just do it this way, to comprehend much faster why/how exactly one is better than the other by the amount said. If it was easy to understand.........it wouldnt of been questioned...
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-23 05:32:32
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I hope Masamune has some kind of hidden effect in Abyssea where it just shreds anything in sight lol..


i ran into a new NM today...saw a ??? asking for a murmuring globule, and we just happen to get one like 2 kills after (i was helping a blu buddy get Acrid Stream and Blazing Bound..we got both for him ^^) and so i used the globule on the ??? thinking it would spawn some new NM....well it did.. a Soulflayer NM that has like a 2s Water-ga 3 cast that does 600+ and MELEE HITS for 500+ non crit....we got face raped...I want to know its drops now lol and if Masamune has some hidden Abyssea dmg bonus, i'm so kicking that things butt when I get it lol
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By Sylph.Sukh 2010-06-25 04:53:05
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One looks like a pld sword and one looks like a can opener. I'll go with the 200m one and hope for the best >_>
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