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SAM get Archery upgrade to A- in update!!!! Return of SAM/RNG?
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-06-01 03:58:32
Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Oh great move SE, because SAM don't have enough *** advantages already -.- Read the op real quick. I did, just saying if it does come to pass it would be absolute BS, seeing that SAM has already been unfairly favoured to the point it can crush almost any other job across the board. Meh it really depends on the on the mob i'm not saying s/e dousnt /come for sam they do but to say they are the absolute best for everything is wrong yea they win on hnms most of the time but with equel gear a war/sam can be equal to a sam/war and in zergs well nothing beats a good drk.
True strike my friend, only problem is there are very few good DRKs out there because SAM is so much easier to play, its high time SE released a weapon equivolent to the soboro that a DRK can use, I mean look at mercurial sword, the original DRK weapon of choice and its WAR/PLD...
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By Alexander.Xgalahadx 2010-06-01 04:00:57
Ifrit.Eikechi said: well i'll agree with ya there Tiger, weakest DD will get the /dnc sub enforced on them lol...and i kinda forgot /sam sekkanoki is gonna be available so most DD will want to spam it out on /sam hehe
I can see it now
>>>somedd {party}{level sync} 80 {do you need it}
somedd>>> {yes please}
>>>somedd Hey btw do you use hachi domuru?
somedd>>> Yea is that a prob? >.>
>>>somedd np at all but hey come /dnc pls
somedd>>> *** you ima come /war cause p.h. dis~
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 04:01:26
Quote: its high time SE released a weapon equivolent to the soboro that a DRK can use What does soboro have to do with sam being a good DD? >.>
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-06-01 04:03:26
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: its high time SE released a weapon equivolent to the soboro that a DRK can use What does soboro have to do with sam being a good DD? >.>
^
And if you really want to DRK\DNC and want a soboro for that, what's wrong with Fort Axe? I dont see a use for this outside of campaign anyways, where you would hit stuff just fine.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 04:03:31
umm Bahamut's Z not good enough for you? lol
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-01 04:04:29
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Alexander.Xgalahadx said: Ramuh.Sagittario said: Oh great move SE, because SAM don't have enough *** advantages already -.- Read the op real quick. I did, just saying if it does come to pass it would be absolute BS, seeing that SAM has already been unfairly favoured to the point it can crush almost any other job across the board. Meh it really depends on the on the mob i'm not saying s/e dousnt /come for sam they do but to say they are the absolute best for everything is wrong yea they win on hnms most of the time but with equel gear a war/sam can be equal to a sam/war and in zergs well nothing beats a good drk.
True strike my friend, only problem is there are very few good DRKs out there because SAM is so much easier to play, its high time SE released a weapon equivolent to the soboro that a DRK can use, I mean look at mercurial sword, the original DRK weapon of choice and its WAR/PLD...
DRK has the Vengeance Scythe. As long as you don't have to worry about aggressive monster TP gain. (Such as if you were fighting a Dragon with Nullsong/Body Slam, among other potentially dangerous targets) The Vengeance scythe is a force to be reckoned with. The OAT Greatsword is also very powerful, and much easier to obtain (For some reason Verthandi very rarely drops 2 eyes, Krabkatoa seems to prefer it.)
That said, I always feel Stun will make Dark Knight more useful than Samurai, if not necessarily more powerful.
By the way, SAM isn't getting an upgrade in Archery skill.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-06-01 04:08:49
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: its high time SE released a weapon equivolent to the soboro that a DRK can use What does soboro have to do with sam being a good DD? >.>
Nothing at all, SAM is a great DD with or without a soboro, just saying with abilities such a sekkanoki and a weapon like a Hagun at its disposal, giving an already powerful job a weapon that no other DD can match is overkill, I mean look at a SAM/RNG with Namas arrow and a soboro, its unmatched.
Ifrit.Eikechi said: umm Bahamut's Z not good enough for you? lol
PLease don't compare a 24/480 Scythe that's only available at 75 that would give extremely weak WS with a 40/450 GK available at 50.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2010-06-01 04:11:52
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Fairy.Blackmist said: This is where Sam/Dnc comes in >.> *Reverse Flurish* Meditate.
*5FM = 60 Tp. instant ^.- Reverse flourish just gives you free steps. Other than that, you spend the same TP on the steps as you'll get back from the flourish, (maybe a few tp more), it's not going to be a viable source of tp gain. Just some free debuffs.
Glad someone pointed that out. Reverse Flourish rules for Dancer main because they get two(2) finishing moves per step. Sub Dancer only gets one(1).
HOWEVER!!!!
It can be used as sort of a "TP storage" to self skillchain more easily. Sort of like Jump, except with a greater margin of error. At the end of the day, you're just delaying when you actually get/use the TP than gaining more.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 04:12:08
lol hey, the guy said it needs to be made, there is one...its not my fault its 75 with less dmg...SE made it the way they did for a reason...its obviously got some kind of use, albeit idk what that is lol
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By Alexander.Xgalahadx 2010-06-01 04:13:33
Ifrit.Eikechi said: lol hey, the guy said it needs to be made, there is one...its not my fault its 75 with less dmg...SE made it the way they did for a reason...its obviously got some kind of use, albeit idk what that is lol Saying every wep has a use is lol i mean look at heart snatcher. :/
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 04:17:15
lol well that's true Galahad...but lets look at the difficulty of getting Bahamut round 2 defeated, and ODS KSNM..... lol
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-06-01 04:18:23
Ramuh.Sagittario said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Quote: its high time SE released a weapon equivolent to the soboro that a DRK can use What does soboro have to do with sam being a good DD? >.>
Nothing at all, SAM is a great DD with or without a soboro, just saying with abilities such a sekkanoki and a weapon like a Hagun at its disposal, giving an already powerful job a weapon that no other DD can match is overkill, I mean look at a SAM/RNG with Namas arrow and a soboro, its unmatched.
Ifrit.Eikechi said: umm Bahamut's Z not good enough for you? lol
PLease don't compare a 24/480 Scythe that's only available at 75 that would give extremely weak WS with a 40/450 GK available at 50.
A sam with namas arrow wouldn't even be /rng lol. Stop QQ'ing so hard.
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 04:19:48
Caitsith.Alriath said: A sam with namas arrow wouldn't even be /rng lol. Stop QQ'ing so hard.
really? what sub would you use? cuz i would use /rng more than likely for the big acc bonus.. MAYBE /war if i had a ***ton of racc in gear..but thats a stretch
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 04:20:38
Namas doesn't have shitty acc like sidewinder. /war is a much better choice
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-06-01 04:20:58
/war and you don't TP in RNG'd acc lol.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-06-01 04:21:18
Caitsith.Alriath said: A sam with namas arrow wouldn't even be /rng lol. Stop QQ'ing so hard.
...uhhhh what?
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 04:21:33
I'm not very familiar with Namas Arrow, but can it double light off Kasha like Kaiten can?
and who said i would TP in racc? lol
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-06-01 04:25:30
My point is you can make up acc needed in your WSset, /rng is just gimping yourself. and namas can light off itself.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-06-01 04:25:36
Alriath I dont see how subjob has anything to do with SAM having a soboro sukehiro and DRK only getting bahamuts scythe, try sticking to the argument instead of picking out irrelevant points.
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By Caitsith.Alriath 2010-06-01 04:26:38
I simply said stop QQ'ing so hard, and the /rng remark is just showing how much you even know about SAM in the first place.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-01 04:30:32
i would /rng w/ yoichi if i wasnt allowed to be inside aoe of the mob, and or a really high level hnm (JoL,Dark Ixion)
Sam/Rng Red Curry build kgo~
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2010-06-01 04:30:40
Caitsith.Alriath said: I simply said stop QQ'ing so hard, and the /rng remark is just showing how much you even know about SAM in the first place.
I was providing my case for why I think SAM is overpowered relative to other jobs you jackass. You call me on a subjob that is totally irrelevant to the argument I am making, it makes no difference if it was a SAM/RNG or a SAM/WAR as I am not arguing for or against either, simply using SAM as an example.
Quit being a difficult troll.
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By Alexander.Xgalahadx 2010-06-01 04:30:57
Ifrit.Eikechi said: lol well that's true Galahad...but lets look at the difficulty of getting Bahamut round 2 defeated, and ODS KSNM..... lol So anything hard to get is worth it and has a use?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 04:31:48
Fairy.Ghaleon said: i would /rng w/ yoichi if i wasnt allowed to be inside aoe of the mob, and or a really high level hnm (JoL,Dark Ixion)
Sam/Rng Red Curry build kgo~ Only power of sam is to use soboro with the yochi. If you're not allowed in range, *** level ranger.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2010-06-01 04:32:20
fk that, sam 99 onry~!
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-06-01 04:33:35
if Namas Arrow *ninja edit* can light with itself, can it double light with itself? think the first SC can't be closed by the WS that can double T3 (but i'm not 100% on that)
edit: and not necessarily Galahad, but that one isn't THAT bad...i dont see the WS dmg being ***when drk's have the highest str build in game for the most part
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By Bismarck.Kyaaadaa 2010-06-01 04:47:08
For a job that many people says is "easy button", people sure make a hell of a lot of racket about it. *Broom against roof* KEEP IT DOWN EH!?
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By Cerberus.Sephrin 2010-06-01 05:20:51
Bard will get A+ Dagger skill and Dancing Edge didn't u guys know?
jk ._.'
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-06-01 05:28:26
Pikachu will be able to learn Surf
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By Bismarck.Kyaaadaa 2010-06-01 05:28:50
Staves are taking a damage increase to match that of GK and Scythes so mages can melee. Thought you ought to know.
Not really but now that i have your attention, What do you think will become of sam/rng with new update? idea? thoughts? I know sam/rng isnt "the best ever" but its fun to play around with. What you guys think will come of it when update hits? if anything.
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