Religious Beliefs

Actually no you don't have to go the opposite. You just have to be consistent. Either believe in things because they can be proven which is the normal method or believe in something because it can't be disproven.

Religion does neither. It says normally I will go about actually wanting evidence of soemthing being true unless it has to do my religion then I'll believe whatever I want even if it can be disproven just cause. Religion is the practice of hypocracy and inconsistency. You don't see religious people going around saying accepting this do you?



Yet you technically can't prove it isn't true either.

This of course makes it much easier to live in a dream world and being controlled by those controlling the religion as only what they say can be right and true.

^ This ;p

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need to see some equations plz, but you get a 9/10 for the effort.

Who says God can't be proven?

To the mind, subjective evidence is just as important as objective evidence.

If you see a painting that you consider "beautiful", it wouldn't matter what anyone else told you, or explained to you etc, that painting would still be beautiful to you. In your mind it would be 100% proven fact.

Those who truly have faith in God, do so not because of some objective evidence has been shown to them, but because they believe they have subjectively experienced God. It will never matter how many people QQ and crow about how the painting is not beautiful, for those who believe they have experienced beauty in that painting, it is both true and irreversible.

So for anyone who thinks they can use objective evidence to disprove someone's subjective experience go right ahead.

It has nothing to do with proving/disproving a subjective experience but with reality. Just because you consider that painting beautiful doesn't make it so. It is what it is and no subjective experience can dispute that. Some might even experience that there is no painting. Doesn't make them right either.

It isn't a question of wether people actually really believe they have experience god so much as if he actually exist. And in the end subjective experiences prove nothing.

Nah it comes down to in the vast majority of cases atheists not being at peace with themselves and looking for a titi to suck on. Im sure there might be a few rare ones, but i have yet to see an OP promoting god's exitence.

And atheist plz... how many times did you use the term "omg"

You're behind the times! It's "Oh my George" now so decreed by the church of Seinfeld!

Yeah I'm sure that's it. Yeah know when my mom says she sees things that other people can't they just called her crazy and diagnosed here with some mental conditions.

When religous people do it it's normal and there must be something wrong with you if you don't. Make up your mind. Everything that is and invisible and can't be proven is real or only things that can be seen or proven are.

And seriously who doesn't like to such on titties?

The problem you have here, is that you are coming into the discussion with 2 very large assumptions.
1. You assume that what you perceive to be reality is in fact real.
2. You assume that what you perceive to be reality is the same reality that is perceived by everyone else.

You cannot objectively prove either of these. You must accept your subjective experience of reality as fact before objectivity can even be considered.

I have a lamp. When turned on, I perceive it to be very bright. You however, do not perceive it to be very bright at all. So which is it? Now, we can look at an objective scale that measures the brightness of the lamp and we can see exactly where it falls on the brightness scale, we can even assign it a numerical value of brightness. We'll say that that this lamp is 70 bright.

This is helpful because we can tell another person who isn't present that we have seen a lamp with a brightness of 70, and that person (using subjective experiences in their past) will now have an accurate mental representation of the brightness of the lamp. However, this still doesn't answer the question of "is it bright?"

Every individual's reality is completely founded in the subjective. You may not care for subjective proof since it is only proof to oneself and not universally shared, but that does not change the fact that it is proof none the less. The existence of God doesn't have to be objectively shown to be able to be subjectively proven to each individual.

This is the difference between say religion Jesus, and Raptor Jesus. I do not know of any instances where anyone has claimed to have had a subjective experience with Raptor Jesus.

Rarely does anything in anyone's reality deal in such absolutes. To claim otherwise is simply being dishonest.

People love to claim things as black and white, when actually its all just varying shades of gray.

lmfao.

It's a figure of speech used for many given circumstances of surprise or silliness. Very poor argument made for yourself.

Alot of reading and barely any pictures im out of here too tired for this today i hate sundays.

The same could be said for any religious person. By this argument nothing in fact can be proven because no one can view anything objectively. At which point we get into the why are you picking and chosing what to believe and disbelieve when you are using the argument that anything can be anything?

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LOL! Atheists not being at "peace" with themselves? Nonsense. I know a number of both hard-core Christians and moderate atheists, and they're all just people trying to get by in life. None of them has a monopoly on morality, or "inner peace", or anything in particular. In fact, all the most bible-thumping Christians I know are on anti-depressants, which to me, is proof that apparently, Jesus is NOT enough. 8P

As for the term "OMG"...I use it as "oh my gosh", which I say IRL, too...but you're free to think whatever you want, of course. 8)

Might sound silly, but if you guys did the missions for San d'Oria, they explain quite well that it's foolish to physically impose beliefs and take severe actions with dire consequences for something that should only exist in your heart and nowhere else.

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People pay attention to the cut-scenes in FFXI? Surely you jest, etc.

Sorry mach here ya go.

FFXI has a damn good story to it, unlike other MMOs out there that's just slathered with shiny toys to cover up its lack of substance.

elaborating on previous comments, Dasva is right, just because you say something is something that doesnt meant it is. Therefore, the only evidence got exists is from what people say, so the same rule applies; Just because they say he exists, doesn't make it true.

Yay, another religious debate thread! And this one has Kitty Khrist!

To those wondering why a lot of these threads here on FFXIAH are started by the nonreligious and not by the religious, I could offer some plausible explanations:
-Atheists and Agnostics are generally in the minority in much of the western world and we feel the need to discuss and bond with others over our frustrations with a world which otherwise disregards or alienates us.
-A lot of gamers are nerds, nerds are often well-read and educated, and nonreligious people occur in greater numbers statistically among the educated (according to some surveys, at least). There might just be more of us on the forum than believers.
-We are angry, embittered individuals who feel the need to attack others who we view as stupid for their outmoded superstitious beliefs. (Gotta be fair.)
-We care deeply about human rights and morality in the context of this world, not the next, and feel the need to discuss it because it is important to us.

I would say that it's a combination of all of those things, generally, including, yes, a few of us who are just plain angry and not a little bit intolerant.

Personally, I see the problem not as religious belief, but that it is often paired with irrational belief. I recently tried to get some discussion started with the old "Atheists are not Suicide Bombers" thread, but it looks like that one is about dead and buried. Since I feel it is important to discuss why religion combined with irrationality is a potent and deadly combination, I'll link the same article I brought up in that thread for those who are interested.
http://www.emagazine.com/view/?757
(Note: The article is older and I don't link it to bash Republicans, but rather some of the actions they and others in positions of power have taken based on religious motivation.)

Edit: If you don't want to read the whole thing, here's a good excerpt.

If you want to make the opposing side look wrong, you do not attack their weaknesses. Anyone can do that, as evident in various forums.

To make yourself look credible and not just some angst-up forum troll...you attack their strengths.

All right ! Now this thread is way more appealing to me!

I agreed with your other points, but not this one. One of the things that drives the religious people in my life crazy is the fact that I'm NOT an angry, embittered person. I'm actually a fairly cheerful, upbeat, optimistic person. I'm kind to animals, I help little old ladies put their groceries in their car, I donate to charities I feel are worthwhile, and I definitely lean towards atheism. I think it would be easier for them if I WERE angry and embittered, because then they could just blame my atheism, instead of having to consider the fact that according to their beliefs, a kind and generous person will be burning in hell for all eternity. 8)

I'm afraid Jesus didnt have that powerfull neck muscles as Vigor did Bart :(!