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 Asura.Saevel
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-18 12:30:11
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Jassik said: »
I'm thinking more along the lines of things that aircraft that are bought from us. I'm not honestly sure if they pay the same price for them that we do, I kind of doubt it

They usually pay less then the US does because their governments aren't on the hook to fund the R&D. The way big ticket defense spending goes is the companies all demonstrate a proof-of-concept with an estimated cost during the bidding, the DoD then chooses the one they feel fits the needs the most. The company then starts the development project to produce the item and because the R&D is so expensive it gets built into the final unit price tag. The more the US orders the more units the R&D gets to be spread across and thus the lower the final price per unit is. When the DoD cuts spending and reduces the final order, the price goes up to compensate which creates that death spiral we see the F35 program in (there are other issues too). Foreign Sales Orders (FSO) on the other hand are negotiated separately and won't take the R&D into account because those countries didn't buy into the program up front. Once the US DoD has sunk $100bn into a program, it's very hard to walk away and refuse to buy anything, while England, Germany or Italy haven't spent a dime and can just decide to order a product from a different contractor.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg, personal costs are a HUGE part of defense spending. The costs to recruit, train and manage service members is gigantic, further more the health costs related to them is also a big budget eater. Then lets add on refit, repair and replace costs, which are used to cover both training and battle field loss's. Every item that's damaged, destroyed or obsoleted needs to be replaced, repaired or upgraded and that costs a pretty penny. Now lets move on to services, that military communications and intelligence network that needs to be maintained and is outrageously expensive because of the levels of redundancy involved. Try to imagine the costs of building a second world wide internet that's access to extremely controlled and not connected to the normal public internet. Now add on all the cross domain and middle-ware solutions to allow us to collaborate with our allies using a shared, and therefor not the actual, coalition network.

Yeah Defense spending is really complicated and the USA is footing way more of the bill then it should. This is a result of Cold War era policies where we agree to cover this expensive in exchange for our allies not joining the Progressive Communist movement, much to the anger of the leftists at the time.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-18 12:50:09
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Jassik said: »
I'm thinking more along the lines of things that aircraft that are bought from us. I'm not honestly sure if they pay the same price for them that we do, I kind of doubt it.
Asura.Saevel said: »
They usually pay less then the US does because their governments aren't on the hook to fund the R&D.
To elaborate both points:

Price: Price is always negotiated. Everyone negotiates prices for products every day. Regardless if they are aircraft or a 20 oz. of Barq's Root Beer. Depending on the product/service/competition, the consumer would have more power over the negotiations than for other products. Sure, I could buy that Barq's for $1.39, or buy a Mug for $.99. Both are equitable in product (they are root beer) but there's a value over Barq's in my mind (I love the taste over other root beers) so I would pay the premium to buy it. Same with airplanes and pretty much everything else.

R&D/Generic: In most cases (excluding pharmaceuticals), everyone pays for R&D. Even those who are entering the industry without the years of research associated with the product (a third party building a plane vs. Boeing). While Boeing has put in a lot of R&D into their products, they have also streamlined their processes and created products that are cheaper to build than the third party, who has to start from scratch. Both generally sets prices the same, and longer the third party stays in business, the better they get at building the planes, which is their basis of R&D (also they start innovating products for themselves and the industry).

Pharmaceuticals are different because of the extensive regulations and the R&D to research newer drugs for consumer usage. The third party doesn't have to endure such costs and can create a generic of the drug at no cost because the "big bad pharma" companies spent the billions to produce that one drug. Which is why you are seeing the latest/greatest drugs selling for tens/hundreds of thousands because of the years it needed to bring such drugs on market....
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-18 14:02:06
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
R&D/Generic: In most cases (excluding pharmaceuticals), everyone pays for R&D. Even those who are entering the industry without the years of research associated with the product (a third party building a plane vs. Boeing). While Boeing has put in a lot of R&D into their products, they have also streamlined their processes and created products that are cheaper to build than the third party, who has to start from scratch. Both generally sets prices the same, and longer the third party stays in business, the better they get at building the planes, which is their basis of R&D (also they start innovating products for themselves and the industry).

This applies to everyone except the Defense industry because of how the contracts are constructed. When the DoD contracts to Boeing or LM, the R&D to develop the product is built into that contract and the finalized costs per unit are based on the orders the US DoD makes. Any Foreign Military sales are merely extra's tacked on and don't pay for the actual R&D because it's already constructed into the original contract. Because Foreign sales are controlled by the DoD, there is no guarantee on how much volume will be done prior to contract award and Foreign countries always have the option of simply going with a different product, there is no contractual lock in.
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By fonewear 2017-02-18 16:03:23
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So what exactly is a VIP member and why aren't I one ?
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By fonewear 2017-02-18 16:04:32
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I think FFXIAH should go the route of free to pay MMO games. Pay money to get whatever color bar and title you want.
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By Jassik 2017-02-18 16:07:29
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fonewear said: »
So what exactly is a VIP member and why aren't I one ?

Generally denotes a special role you have for the site or "job" you do. Some are legacy, people who previously performed some "job", etc. It comes with a purple bar and a lot of questions about the purple bar, not much else.
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By fonewear 2017-02-18 16:08:17
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I see so you could say you are a roleplayer...
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By Jassik 2017-02-18 16:09:14
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I see so you could say you are a roleplayer...

I'm a state of mind.
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By fonewear 2017-02-18 16:12:39
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A state of mind hmm sounds like something Descartes would say.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-02-18 16:55:40
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Kim finally managed to piss China off. And unlike us, they have economic leverage.

China Suspends Coal Imports From North Korea, Dealing A Blow To Pyongyang

OPB.

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In a surprising move, China’s commerce ministry has announced that the country would be suspending its coal imports from North Korea. China released a statement Saturday saying that the freeze in imports will begin Sunday and will be in place through the end of the year.

The move marks a dramatic blow to North Korea. The country, which conducts an estimated 90 percent of its trade with China, relies on coal as its No. 1 export. In fact, as NPR’s Elise Hu has reported, many analysts say coal makes for some 35 percent of North Korea’s economy....
There is more.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2017-02-18 17:13:46
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Poor KJU. Who is he gonna shoot now?
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By Ruaumoko 2017-02-18 17:30:18
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The Chinese are likely pissed the *** off about Kim Jong-Un constantly rocking the boat in south east Asia. China cares a lot about its local economy and especially about its local economy being being purposefully shaken.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2017-02-18 20:02:23
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By fonewear 2017-02-18 20:02:59
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Yea I don't have super vision to read that small text.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2017-02-19 03:49:02
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Let's introduce something new to break away from the usual Trumping(which will resume tomorrow anyway)

Gates suggest robots should pay taxes

if you don't like this link it's been reported on other journals as well.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-02-19 05:16:40
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So I guess all those automated programs Gates owns owe about 50 billion in taxes by now?
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By fonewear 2017-02-19 07:12:53
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Let's introduce something new to break away from the usual Trumping(which will resume tomorrow anyway)

Gates suggest robots should pay taxes

if you don't like this link it's been reported on other journals as well.

Computer nerd Bill Gates ?
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By fonewear 2017-02-19 07:22:26
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Donald Trump: That's bad

FFXIV That's good

Congress That's bad

Italian politics: Can I go now ?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2017-02-19 07:22:59
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Quote:
"you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?” -DTJ

Sweden- "what the hell is he talking about?

Sweden is so confused right now.
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By fonewear 2017-02-19 07:24:44
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Trust me the ratings in Sweden are going to go through the roof !
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By fonewear 2017-02-19 07:25:57
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Also we are trying not to discuss Trump so if we could stop discussing Trump for one Trump. That would be good.
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-19 08:15:50
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fonewear said: »
Also we are trying not to discuss Trump so if we could stop discussing Trump for one Trump. That would be good.

Lets discuss this fabled VIP status and why it's not key to our FFXI economic recovery plan. Our moogles need fed dammit and those fat cat mercers are hording all the gil.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-19 08:24:14
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Let's introduce something new to break away from the usual Trumping(which will resume tomorrow anyway)

Gates suggest robots should pay taxes

if you don't like this link it's been reported on other journals as well.
That's hard to quantify.

How can you put a value in a job that nobody has performed before? Or a job that a robot has taken over a long time ago.

Also, hate to break it to you, but the robot is already taxed at the sale and installation of said robot. Every state as a property tax on businesses that taxes the value of the property at hand. So, every year, the robot is taxed, and at a rate different (sometimes higher) than the worker's wages would have been.

But if you are going to force a tax on intrinsic value of the robot, what's to stop the government from imposing a tax on the intrinsic value of a person? Even to expand, what's to prevent the government of imposing a 100% net worth tax on such person?

It's almost like some people want socialism to occur.....
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-19 08:29:12
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
It's almost like some people want socialism to occur.....

100% tax on all income, then all goods and services will be provided via government vouchers.

Worked great for all those other countries that tried it.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-02-19 08:33:26
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Asura.Saevel said: »
Worked great for all those other countries that tried it.
You forgot the sarcasm tags again.

Or:

Asura.Saevel said: »
Worked great for all those other countries that tried it.
My sarcasm tags.
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By Jassik 2017-02-19 12:03:04
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Asura.Saevel said: »
fonewear said: »
Also we are trying not to discuss Trump so if we could stop discussing Trump for one Trump. That would be good.

Lets discuss this fabled VIP status and why it's not key to our FFXI economic recovery plan. Our moogles need fed dammit and those fat cat mercers are hording all the gil.

VIP's already pay 36% and we're the job creators! Bootstrap! Tyranny!

*moves assets to Ireland*
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By Asura.Saevel 2017-02-19 12:19:29
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Jassik said: »
VIP's already pay 36% and we're the job creators! Bootstrap! Tyranny!

36% isn't high, try over 50% total tax obligation.
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By fonewear 2017-02-20 07:16:42
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Thats a really sad way to push your agenda. Next step is to call facts I don't like people reporting on this.

What if I told you I don't have an agenda...
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By Siren.Mosin 2017-02-20 08:20:37
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I always thought that was pretty obvious fone.
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