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Abyssea - Best Party Setups?
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-01 06:40:49
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Sylph.Siccmade said:
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For example... A Monk wearing aurore hands and legs I would accept without any care in the world even though he doesn't have B.Haidate or Black belt.

A Sam wearing Askar Zuchetto I wouldn't invite because it shows he has no idea how to gear.
That is a really good example, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Now i have to know, why exactly you wouldn't invite them?
Because getting as close to the haste cap as possible is one of the most important things you can do as a DD.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-09-01 06:42:27
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Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
For example... A Monk wearing aurore hands and legs I would accept without any care in the world even though he doesn't have B.Haidate or Black belt.

A Sam wearing Askar Zuchetto I wouldn't invite because it shows he has no idea how to gear.
That is a really good example, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Now i have to know, why exactly you wouldn't invite them?
Because getting as close to the haste cap as possible is one of the most important things you can do as a DD.

And if they don't know about that, how much will they truly know about their job?
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
For example... A Monk wearing aurore hands and legs I would accept without any care in the world even though he doesn't have B.Haidate or Black belt.

A Sam wearing Askar Zuchetto I wouldn't invite because it shows he has no idea how to gear.
That is a really good example, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Now i have to know, why exactly you wouldn't invite them?

Because turban is better and easier to get, so using askar is a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE choice.
Agreed, that example is funny though. Were talking 1 less haste% as opposed to Byakko's which are easier to get then Askar head.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-09-01 06:44:12
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Sylph.Siccmade said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
For example... A Monk wearing aurore hands and legs I would accept without any care in the world even though he doesn't have B.Haidate or Black belt.

A Sam wearing Askar Zuchetto I wouldn't invite because it shows he has no idea how to gear.
That is a really good example, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Now i have to know, why exactly you wouldn't invite them?

Because turban is better and easier to get, so using askar is a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE choice.
Agreed, that example is funny though. Were talking 1 less haste% as opposed to Byakko's which are easier to get then Askar head.

Exactly. They are using a clearly inferior choice that is harder to get. It proves they know nothing about how to gear.

It's not about the haste, it's about skill of gearing.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-09-01 06:49:55
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Sylph.Siccmade said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
For example... A Monk wearing aurore hands and legs I would accept without any care in the world even though he doesn't have B.Haidate or Black belt.

A Sam wearing Askar Zuchetto I wouldn't invite because it shows he has no idea how to gear.
That is a really good example, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Now i have to know, why exactly you wouldn't invite them?

Because turban is better and easier to get, so using askar is a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE choice.
Agreed, that example is funny though. Were talking 1 less haste% as opposed to Byakko's which are easier to get then Askar head.

Byakko's haidate is easier to get than Askar head? :p
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By Sylph.Siccmade 2010-09-01 06:52:51
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:
For example... A Monk wearing aurore hands and legs I would accept without any care in the world even though he doesn't have B.Haidate or Black belt.

A Sam wearing Askar Zuchetto I wouldn't invite because it shows he has no idea how to gear.
That is a really good example, just thought I'd throw that out there.
Now i have to know, why exactly you wouldn't invite them?

Because turban is better and easier to get, so using askar is a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE choice.
Agreed, that example is funny though. Were talking 1 less haste% as opposed to Byakko's which are easier to get then Askar head.

Byakko's haidate is easier to get than Askar head? :p
For sure, I've gone 5/6 in one night w/ EDIT! 12 people. And byakko is easy lol.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-09-01 06:54:43
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Sylph.Siccmade said:

For sure, I've gone 5/6 in one night w/ 9 people. And byakko is easy lol.

I'd say it's easier to shout for a nyzul 100 group than it is to solo-farm byakko popitems.
Diorite sucks ***.
Byakko itself is easy enough, but dont forget the popitems >_>


Edit: failquote
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By Sylph.Siccmade 2010-09-01 06:56:33
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Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:

For sure, I've gone 5/6 in one night w/ 9 people. And byakko is easy lol.

I'd say it's easier to shout for a nyzul 100 group than it is to solo-farm byakko popitems.
Diorite sucks ***.
Byakko itself is easy enough, but dont forget the popitems >_>


Edit: failquote
yeah and i ninja'd while you were quoting, was 12 ppl for the 5/6 night. long time ago was long time.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-09-01 07:00:15
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Sylph.Siccmade said:
Cerberus.Kvazz said:
Sylph.Siccmade said:

For sure, I've gone 5/6 in one night w/ 9 people. And byakko is easy lol.

I'd say it's easier to shout for a nyzul 100 group than it is to solo-farm byakko popitems.
Diorite sucks ***.
Byakko itself is easy enough, but dont forget the popitems >_>


Edit: failquote
yeah and i ninja'd while you were quoting, was 12 ppl for the 5/6 night. long time ago was long time.

Can be done with 6 now, so same amount of people you "need" for nyzul:P
But I still think it's way easier to shout for a 100 run than it is to farm the stupid popset.
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By Sylph.Siccmade 2010-09-01 07:11:56
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I just realized idc lmao, if somebody wants to spend time farming a Askar head instead of Byakko's Haidate, right on!
Either way, I'm not going to check people before I invite them to exp,
if they really suck then they can get booted when I find a rep. Exp all the while, win.
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By Leviathan.Belius 2010-09-01 07:52:55
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Line up DD with the mobs weaknesses. ;p
Make the mages use the right magic spells. ;p

Otherwise, abyssea is very forgiving regarding set-ups. Just be smart about it.

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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-01 07:58:56
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Leviathan.Belius said:
Line up DD with the mobs weaknesses. ;p
Make the mages use the right magic spells. ;p

Otherwise, abyssea is very forgiving regarding set-ups. Just be smart about it.

Beli! :D
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By Leviathan.Torvin 2010-09-01 08:09:05
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Wow... sounds great. How long does it take for you to get this "perfect" party setup put together during peak hours? Do you add that time into your exp/hour? The reality is, Abyssea mobs adjust to your kill speed so an alliance of 18 bards could pull 40k/hour once they had lights capped. Perhaps thats not enough for you but most people now just go in to cap merits. That takes all of about 3 hours even with a crappy alliance. Hell, I've been in a group that maintained 40k/hour with 12 people. I guess elitists will always be elitists though. Have fun lfp.
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-09-01 08:10:15
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For frogs you really should have a COR since they're rather hard to hit and hunter's roll helps. Two BRDs one singing a Madrigal is a fair enough replacement. My favorite setup more or less is at least one BRD/WHM COR/DD DNC DD DD DD party, next party should be as close to this as possible, although I understand it's hard to get BRD COR DNC sometimes.

RDMs can solo Azure just fine, but having BLM for Sleepga really, really really helps, and it's really a must if you don't want to give yourself a headache. Back up cures/hastes from a misc. mage are nice too. DNC should cover *most* of the healing just fine though if they're hasted. Thing I hate about Abyssea is eventually people leave, and I can't afk (as DNC) or people die because we lack appropriate healing. ***sucks.
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By Leviathan.Belius 2010-09-01 08:13:18
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Leviathan.Dissonant said:

Beli! :D

Dissi! :3 You're a forum poster too?
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-01 08:16:20
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Leviathan.Niniann said:
For frogs you really should have a COR since they're rather hard to hit and hunter's roll helps. Two BRDs one singing a Madrigal is a fair enough replacement. My favorite setup more or less is at least one BRD/WHM COR/DD DNC DD DD DD party, next party should be as close to this as possible, although I understand it's hard to get BRD COR DNC sometimes.

RDMs can solo Azure just fine, but having BLM for Sleepga really, really really helps, and it's really a must if you don't want to give yourself a headache. Back up cures/hastes from a misc. mage are nice too. DNC should cover *most* of the healing just fine though if they're hasted. Thing I hate about Abyssea is eventually people leave, and I can't afk (as DNC) or people die because we lack appropriate healing. ***sucks.
RDM has a tough time on frogs, though. I experienced this the other night (though I wasn't in all of my nuking gear). I was consistently doing like, 300 damage or something crappy like that with relic pants, af+1 hat, goliard cuffs, teal saio and dark arts, but most of my accessories were MP gear at the time ;-;
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-01 08:16:37
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Beli! :D

Dissi! :3 You're a forum poster too?
Nope! :D
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-09-01 08:17:17
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Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Leviathan.Niniann said:
For frogs you really should have a COR since they're rather hard to hit and hunter's roll helps. Two BRDs one singing a Madrigal is a fair enough replacement. My favorite setup more or less is at least one BRD/WHM COR/DD DNC DD DD DD party, next party should be as close to this as possible, although I understand it's hard to get BRD COR DNC sometimes.

RDMs can solo Azure just fine, but having BLM for Sleepga really, really really helps, and it's really a must if you don't want to give yourself a headache. Back up cures/hastes from a misc. mage are nice too. DNC should cover *most* of the healing just fine though if they're hasted. Thing I hate about Abyssea is eventually people leave, and I can't afk (as DNC) or people die because we lack appropriate healing. ***sucks.
RDM has a tough time on frogs, though. I experienced this the other night (though I wasn't in all of my nuking gear). I was consistently doing like, 300 damage or something crappy like that with relic pants, af+1 hat, goliard cuffs, teal saio and dark arts, but most of my accessories were MP gear at the time ;-;

Anyone has a tough time on frogs though. BLM isn't going to make that situation any better. :/
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-09-01 08:19:06
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Leviathan.Niniann said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Leviathan.Niniann said:
For frogs you really should have a COR since they're rather hard to hit and hunter's roll helps. Two BRDs one singing a Madrigal is a fair enough replacement. My favorite setup more or less is at least one BRD/WHM COR/DD DNC DD DD DD party, next party should be as close to this as possible, although I understand it's hard to get BRD COR DNC sometimes.

RDMs can solo Azure just fine, but having BLM for Sleepga really, really really helps, and it's really a must if you don't want to give yourself a headache. Back up cures/hastes from a misc. mage are nice too. DNC should cover *most* of the healing just fine though if they're hasted. Thing I hate about Abyssea is eventually people leave, and I can't afk (as DNC) or people die because we lack appropriate healing. ***sucks.
RDM has a tough time on frogs, though. I experienced this the other night (though I wasn't in all of my nuking gear). I was consistently doing like, 300 damage or something crappy like that with relic pants, af+1 hat, goliard cuffs, teal saio and dark arts, but most of my accessories were MP gear at the time ;-;

Anyone has a tough time on frogs though. BLM isn't going to make that situation any better. :/
Where have you been? >.> check pms :(
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-01 08:19:47
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Leviathan.Niniann said:
Anyone has a tough time on frogs though. BLM isn't going to make that situation any better. :/
I haven't done them on BLM yet, personally, so I couldn't say. I have a much better resist set on BLM, though. Don't frogs take like half damage from magic or something crappy?
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By Leviathan.Belius 2010-09-01 08:21:03
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Leviathan.Dissonant said:

RDM has a tough time on frogs, though. I experienced this the other night (though I wasn't in all of my nuking gear). I was consistently doing like, 300 damage or something crappy like that with relic pants, af+1 hat, goliard cuffs, teal saio and dark arts, but most of my accessories were MP gear at the time ;-;


Building on what Nini said; always have some form of flexibility on jobs so people can take breaks. I personally try as much as possible to not over-work or rely on one 'support' for the entire cures. A BLM curing isn't the best use of MP but it will cover for when the WHM needs to afk for a screen break.

Frogs resist EVERYTHING. They're evasive and evil.
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Beli! :D

Dissi! :3 You're a forum poster too?
Nope! :D

WHY DO YOU LIE TO ME D;
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-09-01 08:21:10
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Anyone has a tough time on frogs though. BLM isn't going to make that situation any better. :/
I haven't done them on BLM yet, personally, so I couldn't say. I have a much better resist set on BLM, though. Don't frogs take like half damage from magic or something crappy?

Something bad. I was on COR for my LS farming amber, and my leadens were some crappy number like 100-200 with appropriate gear. :s
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By Ragnarok.Holyman 2010-09-01 08:24:14
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Best thing is to build 2 different lights at same time , have BLMs manaburn target , while melee build pearlescent light

Regarding Frogs , 2~3 BLMs are must for sleepga , but imo it's hard to manaburn those , just have BLUs for magic kills when you fight frogs.
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By Leviathan.Dissonant 2010-09-01 08:24:31
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Leviathan.Belius said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:
Leviathan.Belius said:
Leviathan.Dissonant said:

Beli! :D

Dissi! :3 You're a forum poster too?
Nope! :D

WHY DO YOU LIE TO ME D;
I... I'm sorry. ;-;
Leviathan.Niniann said:
Something bad. I was on COR for my LS farming amber, and my leadens were some crappy number like 100-200 with appropriate gear. :s
Oh, thank god someone else had a hard time with Leaden Salute. I thought my COR just sucked balls. ; ;
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By Leviathan.Niniann 2010-09-01 08:25:55
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Naw my COR is pretty good with a decent MAB setup for Leaden Salute and I still sucked balls. Normally my damage is like 600~ give or take. :<
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By Ragnarok.Yathatguy 2010-09-01 08:39:22
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All you need is 2 DD's, SCH or BLM (key person), COR/whm or /sch (key person), BRD/nin (key person), and RDM/whm. That's it. One party.
 
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By Leviathan.Yokhai 2010-09-01 08:40:01
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LOL @ frogs comment. If there isnt a competent puller, i usually pull on BLM(2-4 at a time), sleep them all, get two killshots and go grab more. I've had some fail thf/rng/brd/cor pullers who don't understand we want 2-4 sitting at camp.
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By Asura.Rinkydink 2010-09-01 08:42:36
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lol. yeh ive had an epic party on frogs where the blm pulled.. then slept then nuked then pulled etc.. was actually a very close 2nd to the brd.. only difference was he ran out of mp cos he missed evokers! lol
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By Leviathan.Yokhai 2010-09-01 08:43:00
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Ragnarok.Holyman said:
Best thing is to build 2 different lights at same time , have BLMs manaburn target , while melee build pearlescent light

Regarding Frogs , 2~3 BLMs are must for sleepga , but imo it's hard to manaburn those , just have BLUs for magic kills when you fight frogs.

it is good to have a backup sleeper. But at this day and age, if you can't +30/35 enfeeb skill on a sleep macro, you are doing something wrong.